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 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: Christian, does the 4.1 beta add stereo ReWire channels ? |
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Hey Christian, can you please let me know if you can once again link stereo channel pairs in ReWire using Alt+Click ?
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=56365
If so, can you please please test it out thoroughly, enable a pair and switch it to mono, then back to stereo and ensure all goes smoothly.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Beuermann wrote: | Hello,
sorry, but I cannot say anything about it. Please remeber that we are still in a "building/testing" phase. Every build that is made has fixes / new functions, but it can also cause new problems.
So please wait with this kind of questions till we anounce the update. It is to early for us to look if something is 100% fixed/changed
I hope you understand it.
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No worries Chris, I appreciate your response. Please please keep an eye out for this stereo ReWire feature during the beta testing of 4.1, for any ReWire user, it is absolutely essential to have. Version 4.0 removed this feature which existed in v3.11. This would also break compatibility with 3.11 projects.
Thanks a lot for your help!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi Christian, you would know by now whether this was being addressed for the forthcoming 4.1 release. Any news?
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=79997
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| That would be a big "NO" then to the stereo rewire channels lol |
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Any comment, Chris? Thanks...
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What if I said please? Please?
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Ok, well thanks for replying. This is not very good news though. It's a pretty basic feature and IMO for such a poweful program it seems more than a little clunky to have to mess about with groups for this. Not to mention the added hassle of SX3 project incompatibility. How about in 4.1.1? Please?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Ok Chris, if there's anything you can do in the meantime to promote the cause it would be appreciated! Thanks.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand Chris, isn't worth a bucketful of brownie points (i.e. customer responsiveness) to get an engineer to go back and 'undo' this 'correction' in C4 (as I gather it was), as a temporary measure? 64 bit Rewire could be ages away...
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I am extremely dissappointed to hear this. All of my projects use this repeatedly since it was introduced in SX3. The current (4.03) routing mess makes it most awkward to workaround in existing projects. Perhaps 4.1 will make that easier.
Hopefully your speculation about waiting for 64-bit Rewire is wrong. After all, this used to work. (And still does your competitors' products!)
So much for customer responsiveness as this was reported as soon as C4 was released.
| Georg Bruns wrote: | I've noted the follwing in our to-be-fixed database:
1. In Cubase SX 3.1.1 a stereo Rewire channel could be enabled by holding down [Alt] and clicking on an odd numbered Reason channel in the ReWire panel.
In Cubase 4 this feature is missing (actually it officially never existed since it was not documented in SX 3.1.1 ).
2. Even worse: On Macs Cubase 4 unexpectedly quits when opening SX 3.1.1 projects in which additional stereo channels to Reason are active.
Hope you understand that a date for the fix is not available yet. |
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Saying we need to wait for 64 bit Rewire is pretty weak. 32 bit has a long lifespan and many musicians don't need 64 bit anytime soon. The only people who "need" it are those who work with very large sample libraries and even then you can still use disk streaming as a workaround. And who knows when we'll see 64 bit Rewire? There's no mention of it on Propellerheads website (under the Rewire section at least).
Reason is very widely used and Stereo channels are important. How come Pro Tools and Ableton Live (probably Sonar 7) can get it right, but Steinberg can't? Maybe they're too busy adding dongle calls?
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Yes, better to fix it now than wait. We've been waiting ever since 4.0 came out! And the feature already existed via 32-bit rewire...
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This problem doesn't concern myself IMMEDIATELY, but if I ever would want to venture outside VST realm to for example Reason 4, I would definitely want the possibility of stereo (even surround?) to be there. If it's up to REWIRE instead of VST protocol, I understand Steinbergs lack of response but I'd definitely want to know whom to bug for this to happen.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Hey Chris, thanks for responding. For anyone working with ReWire, this is a big deal, a feature which I was never expecting to lose in v4 in the first place. I'm sorry to say that I will not be upgrading to C4 due to this reason.
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Oh dear.
This is extremely disappointing. The amount of time I waste bringing in 2 rewire channel, panning them left and right, then sending to another in cubase just so that I can have one fader & use Cubases superior effects on my incoming reason sound sources is significant. It's quite funny in a way, I use the reason synths more than I would like to because Prologue doesn't work properly for me (it keeps getting stuck on notes & self oscillating.). I'll be happy enough if the prologue problem is fixed in 4.1, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not.
In the past, since 4.0 came out, I have been pretty supportive of Steinberg and pressures put on them to release a product. As much as the situation sucks I know a lot of the issues aren't entirely their fault. A year later though, when many people have complained, I would expect things to be fixed.
It's such a shame, but this will be my last version of Cubase anyway, as I will be moving over to logic within the next year. |
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i dont think chris was saying you have to use 64bit rewire but they might fix the issue for 32bit rewire when they create 64bit rewire. i agree its lame since it has been a reported problem since C4's release.
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| Chris Beuermann wrote: | | [snip...] Please remeber that we are still in a "building/testing" phase. Every build that is made has fixes / new functions, but it can also cause new problems. [snip...] |
I am confused... I thought that it should have been released by now. What's this we are building and testing shouldn't the building part be done by now... did you actually even spend time on the C4.1 or were those 2 dev guys spending all their time on N4? So if you are testing this newly built C4.1 which I assumed had been happening extensively the last 6 months... can we really expect it in a week or less?
Also, while the bosses may not be pleased... it would be awesome if you could let us know any other SX3 features that were broken by C4 that remain broken in advance... so We don't accidentally screw up past projects.
I can feel the frustration welling...
perhaps I had placed too much expectation on Steinberg and the X.1.0 release.
hey I'ma get me a Sequel Demo! 
thanks for any info you probably won't shed on this... but thanks anyway for thinking about, and possibly wanting to share it with us.
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look at the date on that post... its from way back in july...
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| stonefree wrote: | Saying we need to wait for 64 bit Rewire is pretty weak. 32 bit has a long lifespan and many musicians don't need 64 bit anytime soon. The only people who "need" it are those who work with very large sample libraries and even then you can still use disk streaming as a workaround. And who knows when we'll see 64 bit Rewire? There's no mention of it on Propellerheads website (under the Rewire section at least).
Reason is very widely used and Stereo channels are important. How come Pro Tools and Ableton Live (probably Sonar 7) can get it right, but Steinberg can't? Maybe they're too busy adding dongle calls? |
and reaper.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Tallisman wrote: |
and reaper. |
This is getting embarrassing for SB. It's amazing how many key crucial features are present in every other DAW except Cubase. 4.1 will be a slight improvement, but there's still a ways to go. This is what happens when you devote most of your resources to copy protection - development slows to a crawl while competitors leave you in the dust. What's the point of an uncrackable program if no one wants to use it because the alternatives have more to offer?
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| ProjectP wrote: | | look at the date on that post... its from way back in july... |
Here's the first thread on this...
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=56365&highlight=
Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:22 pm
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| stonefree wrote: | | What's the point of an uncrackable program if no one wants to use it because the alternatives have more to offer? |
I agree with the most of the stuff posted in this thread, but come on. Are you really serious about this statement ?
Do the alternatives really have more to offer ?
I believe Cubase 4 is one of the best features DAW applications out there - and easiest to navigate in my eyes.
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| Baas wrote: | | stonefree wrote: | | What's the point of an uncrackable program if no one wants to use it because the alternatives have more to offer? |
I agree with the most of the stuff posted in this thread, but come on. Are you really serious about this statement ?
Do the alternatives really have more to offer ?
I believe Cubase 4 is one of the best features DAW applications out there - and easiest to navigate in my eyes.
KennethA |
I stick with Cubase because I like the general workflow and think it's a great program overall, but feature wise it is seriously falling behind while SB moves at a snail like pace to catch up. There are SO many features users have been constantly requesting for years that are being ignored by SB but not their competitors. To make things worse, many of the features added to C4 were not requested by anyone and have proven highly unpopular (Soundframe and Mediabay for example). To top it off, there's also SB's love of removing popular useful features. So yes I am serious, even though I do like the program overall and would love to see it really improve. Around SX 2 and SX 3, Cubase was far ahead of its competitors, but not anymore. Look around at other forums (SOS) and you'll see that Cubase is no longer highly regarded.
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On topic, please. This thread is not about copy protection or which DAW is better.
It is about one simple feature that that worked in SX3 and was broken in C4. The mods here acknowledged this more than a year ago and promised a fix, but now say it is not included in C4.1. Shame!
| Georg Bruns wrote: | | Of course this will be addressed! |
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| Chroma One wrote: | On topic, please. This thread is not about copy protection or which DAW is better.
It is about one simple feature that that worked in SX3 and was broken in C4. The mods here acknowledged this more than a year ago and promised a fix, but now say it is not included in C4.1. Shame!
| Georg Bruns wrote: | | Of course this will be addressed! |
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Almost seems the expected outcome of most of the promises made... I hate to sound like a negative nancy, but this kind of treatment is getting irritating to say the least.
As much as I think C4 is a solid sequencer, I cannot help but feel glad that other companies offer such competitive cross-grade prices.
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i wonder why steinberg doesn't care about what are important things to its customers? i just cant make any sense out of it.
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