Fix for Nforce 4 coming !?

jcschild · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject:

HI,

nothing to elaborate on really.

if you use a Dual Core AMD the Nforce 4 actually works well, no differance from the Nforce 3 until
128/64 buffer.

fireface is just fine. the only issues is a firewire/X2/UAD.

and i am sure UA is on top of fixing this.
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J.R. · Junior Member Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 86

Hi jcschild,

one quick question: I know you prefer the Nforce3 to the VIA K8T800 Pro (Asus a8v), but are the Nf3 and the Via K8T800 Pro equal in terms of performace? Or is the Via between the Nf3 and Nf4 (all with AMD Dual Core)?

Thanks and regards
J.R.

joalter · Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: My Laptop

Thanks Scott.

I will go for a gigabyte nf4 ultra or sli which integrates a TI firewire 800 with a x2 4400+ processor.

Cheers.
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jcschild · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject:

HI JR,

well the "performance differances" are slight and in fact the Via gives slightly very slightly better numbers.
however "performance " is only 1 part of the equation.

stability and compatibility are more important than performance.

we feel the Nforce 3 does a better job in both areas. however is a moot point now as the nforce 3 has all but disappeared.
there are a few boards left but either has no firewire or is something like the MSI which we dont care for all that much.

we were able to get 20 more of the gigabyte K8ns ultra 939's and thats it done gone over.
this wont last me more than a week.

so now the Asus A8v is it. how long that will last we dont know.

since the majority of people who buy AMD are now going dual core we are trying (yet again) various Nforce 4.

one of the big issues is the lack of PCI slots. for some one with 2 RME Hammerfalls and 2 UADs your hosed.
i have only found 1 board with 4 pci slots. i am sure at least one shares.
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chris_n · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject:

I'm just about to order a new DAW... so, what's the news about Nforce4 and Athlon X2 Dual Core?

Which motherboard should I go for?
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franYo · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject:

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jcschild · Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject:

HI,
most of the nforce 4's we have tried seem to be working well.
having read FranYos post on Nuendo forum i was surprised to see the at 128/64 buffer he was getting the same
as the via board he had.

we have noticed a decrease in performance (not big) over the older Via kt800/Nforce 3 at those buffers.

so as long as you are going dual core all seems well on the Nforce 4..

the asus SLI is fine i prefer Gigabyte. TYan has a nice one with 4 PCI slots.
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t-chapman · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

hi, sorry to butt in like this, but it seems there are some knowlegeable chaps here who might tell me if my computer vendor knows what he's about, nf4-wise:
what spontaneously comes to your mind when i say the words:
"athlon 64 3500+" and "gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra-9"
if the answer is something along the lines of:
Shocked

which i almost fear,
what would yo recommend as a cosy home for a single athlon?
thanks for the help!
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franYo · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:02 am Post subject:

pcy · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:13 am Post subject:

Is it possible then, that the fix has been quietly included in the bios versions that support X2

Peter

chris_n · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject:

So what are you guys saying here? Am I in trouble with this setup? I ordered this silent DAW last week, but I can still change my mind... Crying or Very sad

- Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-9 nForce4 Ultra 4DDR-DIMM 3PCI 3PCIe SATA Raid Audio DUAL GB-LAN Firewire Socket939 ATX
- AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual-Core 90nm 4200+ 2.2GHz 512kb+512kb Boxed (with cpu-cooler) Socket939
- Lian Li PC6070 Aluminium Silver Miditower ATX
- Antec Phantom PSU 350W EC Fanless
- 2 x Western Digital Caviar WD2500KS 250Gb 7200rpm 16Mb S-ATA2
- Gigabyte GeForce 6600GT 256Mb DDR3 Silent Pipe TV-out DUAL DVI RETAIL PCI Express (Fanless)
- Corsair TWINX2048-3200C2 2x1024Mb (tot. 2048Mb) DDR PC3200 400Mhz CL2
- Arctic Cooling Silver Heatsink Compund 0.5g

I'm going to use my RME Digi 96/8 PST soundcard, no firewire equipment and no DSP-cards used at all....
Also I'll probably buy FXteleport to use with my old computer together with Gigabit LAN cards.
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t-chapman · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject:

hi, franYo,
helped a lot, thanks!
the "uad" you mention seems to be some dsp-host, yes? got none of those no.
and you say it's working fine with an x2 on it? 'cause i just looked up the specs of your x2 an am wondering why the guy at the shop didn't tell me about that one, i'd be perfectly prepared to pay the extra 200 e's. some people just apparently hate the idea of making some more money! Laughing

however, i heard this other one about the gigabyte not booting up if there's an rme-card in it's pci-slot. if that's the case, the thing is about as useful for my purposes as a glass hammer. anyone know any more about that one?
thoughts much appreciated!
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franYo · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:10 am Post subject:

t-chapman · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject:

Hi, Franjo,
can't seem to find them anymore, but there were several forum posts about it (albeit not on this one), though i think the issue was resolved by a bios-upgrade. nonetheless, the vendor's offered to test-run my 96 on the board tomorrow before i buy it, an offer that i shall certainly accept. thanks again for your help, all the other info you gave pretty much checked out. i'll keep you posted on the rme issue, though, judging from your setup, i guess it doesn't bother you much anyway! Very Happy

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t-chapman · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:19 am Post subject:

well, here's what happened: they put in the gigabyte board, then the digi 96 and the whole thing turned out FUBAR, just as feared: boot process wouldn't even get further than the memory test, regardless of which pci-slot was used or what bios-version was flashed.
both board and d96 worked perfectly on their own.
now, i don't know if this is a general gigabyte-rme, chipset-rme or whatever issue, or if there are other sytem components responsible, but upon declaring the gigabyte-experiment as failed, we put in an asus a8v. same processor, same sata-drives, just a new board. no problems at all since then...
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franYo · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject:

A8V should serve you well, excellent motherboard. Which CPU did you decide to go for?

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t-chapman · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject:

...the 4200+! heh, heh... Dancing

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beyarecords · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:29 am Post subject:

Hi,
i'm in the process of build a new Nuendo PC DAW, currently run G5 2.5GHz system, based around the Athlon X2 4400+ and came across this article that might be helpful:

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1617

regards

beya
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DMuzik · Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:32 am Post subject:

Bump.... any news?

dugawug · Member Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 315

another bump...
what's the deal on this? are people with pci-e boards like these still having problems when full throttling their system? is it able to be fixed w/ a BIOS update?
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dugawug · Member Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 315

not a peep here?
i guess no fix yet, huh? so what are you guys doing as workaround?
or maybe there was a fix and everyone is too busy making music again Very Happy

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pcy · Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:41 am Post subject:

Hi,

Scott is the man for this, but as I understand it:

1. There is no proper fix for nF4 in sight
2. But using a dual core X2 CPU masks the problem. This seems to work on all nF4 mobos
3. Seek advice if you want to run UADs or PoCos, though

My personla opinion is that nVidia will possibly fix this if they have to make changes to nF4 for AMD Socket M2. Otherwise I'd expect them to ignore the problem on the grounds that PCI is on it's last breath anyway.

Peter

thebearingedge · New Member Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 2

dude this news SUCKS. why didn't I find out about this sooner!!!!???????? CRAP.... please say someone has some good news!!!!

dugawug · Member Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 315

so correct me if i'm wrong...about anyone out there with an nforce 4 chipset mobo not running an X2 will have issues when pushing their system to the max?
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Euphonic · New Member Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 7

Maybe nvidia already released somethink like a "fix".

The nforce4 sli x16 chipset reminds of the nforce pro,
because it has a dedicated northbridge only for one x16 peg-slot (i.e. a separate bus for the graphiccard).

The nicest board come from asus, the a8n32-sli deluxe.
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=744&l1=3&l2=15&l3=0

If someone could make som stresstests with the board with an amd x2 along with some pocos and uads installed we all might sleep a lot better Smile