64 bit vs 32 bit

[project71beats]

I have windows 7 64bit and Cubase 5.5.2 64 bit installed. Honestly I dont see any difference between 64 and 32 bit. On Windows or Cubase. In fact I find there to be more issues in 64 bit. Would it be worth while to go 32 bit just for the better compatibility?
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[tonyg]

[Betamac]

Can't say I have noticed any performance difference between the two (based on the ASIO meter and crackles/drop outs)

But problems - I've had more problems in 64 bit, reaktor crashing/GUI freezing up, Halion One 'no presets'

Its hard for me to see the benefits at the moment personally

whats everyone's experience of the comparison between the two performance/problems wise
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[project71beats]

Even windows doesnt seem any faster/quicker/smoother. I came up from xp to a very short time with vista and quickly went to windows 7. I felt my xp 32 machine was best. I have a copy of windows 7 32 and obviously Cubase 5 32 and was thinking about starting from scratch. Asio drivers have been a big problem for me too....
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[Ron Garrison]

[project71beats]

I remember more "freezing" in xp, now that I think about it. But in 64 bit I still don't bother using reverance, because its so slow to switch presets and Cubase would meltdown. All in all I have never understood why out of all the DAWs out there Cubase seems to be the worst when it comes to compatibilty and crashes. I have protools le and have not bothered to try it out, maybe I should because I am sick of all this crap. Then you get the guys who post "it works fine for me" I am a user who is always moving forward with technology and tries new things. I switch hardware a few times a year as its part of my business. I don't know, I might just do "the switch" considering when I bought my upgrade cubase was over $700here and the upgrade $250ish. now the whole dam program is $500. sheesh. And half of it never works.
Sorry for the rant, kinda off topic...the memories flooded back
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[DG]

[zebbie]

I've got used to 64-bit now, no problems since the JBridge 1.27 update sorted out BFD2. XP 32 bit was stable but RAM limitations were becoming a problem. I don't see anyone transitioning from 32 to 64 bit without some issues but I think most users are having a fairly painless experience. As usual it's the plug-ins that seem to cause the most problems.

And eventually, as the gorgeous Jeri Ryan might say, "You will be assimilated! Resistance is futile!"
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[bugs]

No Rewire in 64bit version.
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[Robin Heuristic]

Install both and use the one which is most appropriate for your current project requirements. As pointed out before, if you don't use large RAM sucking plugins, then 32 should be fine.

[Como Baila]

I don't think I have anything to add ... except that there is an unopened Windows 7 64bit OEM package and 4 2GB sticks of RAM sitting in a box beside my PC waiting for me to find the courage to take the plunge.

I bought a "64 bit ready" Xeon server almost 4 years ago ... and recently realized that if I didn't get on the stick, I might not be able to find the PC2-5300 RAM any longer ... and then my upgrade strategy would be gutted.

I really got enthused when I started learning ... mostly over at Gearslutz ... that I could run my programs 32bit and keep all my plug-ins under the 64 bit OS, as long as I could find 64 bit drivers for all my hardware. Now that I've done my homework and happily discovered that everything I'm concerned about has 64 bit drivers ... I've got no excuses.

The increased RAM really excites me ... especially when I think that now I may really be able to utilize Rewire running my 32 bit apps. I've always wanted to rewire ACID for it's easy repitch and retempo features into C5, but sooner or later I always run out of memory and either crash or freeze. Same thing with Reason.

Well, I learned XP pretty well ... I guess I can learn Windows 7 before 128 bit OS comes along.

Como
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[project71beats]

Thats the thing, I took the plunge and noticed no real benefits. Thats my whole point.
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[Como Baila]

I hear you ... but maybe you didn't and still don't push your RAM? What Ron Garrison says is exactly what I've heard elsewhere ... and why I am going there. Well ... I am pulling my old hard drive and getting a new one for a fresh install so I can reboot to my XP if needed. I'm imagine running Rewire programs to Cubase ... but even if your not, you have to realize that unless you used the 3GB Switch in XP, under 64 each program can nearly access 4GB compared to barely 2GB under XP. That has got to improve thins if you run many VSTis or VSTs.

But really ... time is on 64bit's side. Imagine the difference between XP and Win98 or 3.1 for DAWs and audio tools. I wouldn't want to go back to Cool Edit Pro ... although it was great in the day. In time developers including Steiny are going to learn to take full advantage of 64bit ... and then you won't want to be without it.

Like I said, I also didn't want my really nice dual dualcore server to get stuck in 32bit land just because the memory it required is no longer available. I actually tried to buy 8 2GB DIMMs from New Egg and they would only sell me 4 ... that was all they had left of what I needed, the Corsair Fully Buffered ECC, and they didn't know if they were getting more. I then searched everywhere and couldn't find it at any of the ususual suspects ... CDW, ZipZoomFly, etc. So I think I made my move in the nick of time.

Como
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[backbeat]

Under Cubase 5 32Bit on 64Bit OS you can use up to 3,5GB Ram for the Cubase.exe in the Taskmanager.
After this Cubase just freezes.
In my projects I often use 32Bit Plugins.
The performance from Cubase 32Bit under 64Bit OS for me is better than CB 64Bit.
Try it! Make a Project under 32Bit with your favorite Plugins and save it, then open it in the 64Bit version and see how it performs.
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[centralmusic]

64 bit vs. 32 bit?
I will wait for 128 bit. why not.

[project71beats]

[Ron Garrison]

[project71beats]

oh ok, I just thought when you try to do that it would just try and repair the current version. Will do it later today.
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[Suprawill1]

[Oscat101]

[Robin Heuristic]

It can be tricky when launching projects once you have both installed, generally I have to right click the project file and "Open With" otherwise the wrong host may open.

[Suprawill1]

I usually just open the version of choice and then browse from there.
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[Ron Garrison]

[Sherz]

Generally 64-bit has been more stable for me. There's only one plugin that I use often has been tying me to 32-bit but it seems that a recent update *may* have resolved the issues with 64-bit... we'll see.

I've not noticed any observable performance differences between the two versions.
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[Suprawill1]

It's strange that in my case, I still have the better performance with 32 bit in Vista 64. Even if I don't use any 32 bit vsts in 64 bit, the asio % is higher with the same project. I have Jbridge just in case but Addictive Drums is the only 32 bit vst that I've used in 64. I've come to conclude that it may be my sound card/interface. Both are stable though and I hadn't any need for more ram usage so all is fine in 32 land.
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[Como Baila]

Hmmm ... but you seem to be talking about running C5 32bit instead of 64bit under 64bit O/S.

I think I've gotten confused (not the first or last time!) in this thread. I guess that is what most everyone is talking about ... but some people, my self included, have been discussing improvements in 64bit O/S vs. 32bit O/S ... regardless of whether using 32bit or 64bit C5.

You are discussing which version of C5 runs better for you under 64bit O/S, correct?

Como
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[Oscat101]

Yes your right, sorry about that.
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[guitartoys]

Wow, 2010, and we are still having this conversation.

It boils down to what you do, and how much load you put on Cubase.

First, I would argue that regardless of whether you use 32 or 64 bit Cubase, you want to have a 64 bit version of the operating system loaded no matter what. Certainly with more than 4GB of RAM. I use a base of at least 8gb. After the 1st, I will have 12 cores and 24 threads and 12GB RAM.

The reason for the OS being 64 bit is simple. Memory space. In a 32 bit OS environment, all you have is 4GB to work with, and if you have for example, a video card with 1GB of RAM, then you only have 3GB to work with (all of that whopping video memory subtracts from you available memory in a 32 bit environment), less actually due to additional OS needs. I wish they would stop selling the 32 bit version of the OS.

With a 64 bit OS, a 32 bit application can be allocated a full 4GB of RAM entirely to the applicaiton, so a 32 bit application will operate much better in a 64 bit OS environment.

As to whether to use 32 bit or 64 bit Cubase, it comes down to your project sizes, plugins and virtual instruments.

At the end of the day, install a 64 bit OS, and load both. Use the 32 bit version until you find yourself getting constrained, and needing to bounce tracks. Then yes, when you move to the 64 bit version of Cubase you will need to accept the fact that not everyone has gotten their plugs up to 64 bit yet.

I don't use a lot of virtual instruments, but I like effects and things like convolution reverbs.

When I do a mix, I am usually running somewhere between 16 and 24 tracks. Then a whole bunch of additional edit tracks. If you figure 8 tracks for the drums (kick, snare, hi-hat, 3 toms, 2 overheads), 2 guitars, a bass, one to three keyboards (flippin keyboard players, they want to see how many keyboards they can buy and stuff into two racks to look like kerry livgren - that will date me - maybe each being active in dfifferent portions of the song), a lead vocal, and two or three back up vocals, trumpet, sax and violin, that's a bunch of tracks. Then each with a compressor, drums with gates and limiters, and eq, some with pitch correction, maybe multibank compressor on a couple, a vocal stip on 4, then at least three tracks for plate, reverb and delay, then you are stressing the system pretty well.

I doubt you can do that in a 32 bit environment. I haven't tried, I have only used 64 bit for at least two years.

So the key is first the OS. Go 64 bit OS without question. Then just use 32 bit Cubase until you find it is getting stressed, then shift to 64 bit, but make sure you at least buy some additional memory when you do so.

Peace.

Michael
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